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Oct 10, 2007 12:02 PM

Search Engine Optimization

 

Can anyone recommend an ethical, effective SEO company?

 


Thank you,
Kelleysstyle
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    Oct 10, 2007 12:18 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
    Re: Search Engine Optimization
    SEOMoz.org has a great list of people who provide these services. They are well known, and can give you some great advice. I do in-house SEO for my own company(Our business sells tires, not SEO), but reading SEOMoz on a daily basis has really sharpened my skills.

    Their list is available at http://www.seomoz.org/article/recommended and they do not take any kickbacks for their recommendations.
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    Oct 10, 2007 12:25 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
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    do you recomend setting up different "search engine gateway" pages for each different search engine??
    I had a book that said that you should make a different page for yahoo, good, hotbot, etc. Do you do that?
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      Oct 10, 2007 12:36 PM (in response to SilverDragon)
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      How old is that book? If you build the page correctly, it should display the same information for each search engine.

      While Yahoo and MSN use Meta Tags, Google does not rely on them as much. If you have built a CSS site, things should be easily indexable.

      I would worry more about cross-browser compatibility, ( making sure the page shows up the same on IE, FireFox and Safari) rather than different content for different search engines. Most of these search engines have been bought out by the Big 3, Google, Yahoo, and MSN. So they will be using the same results and algorithms that the big 3 will, no matter where you go.
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      Nov 7, 2007 7:34 PM (in response to SilverDragon)
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      To your question about "search engine gateways" all the search engines react slightly differently based on keyword density (and where the keywords are located) and text on a page. So Google likes page titles to be 6-8 words long while Yahoo likes them to be 5-7 for example.

      Web Position http://www.webposition.com/ is software that helps optimize text on a page for particular circumstances such as search engine gateways. However, there are a lot better ways to spend your time than trying to optimize for each search engine (at least until you run out of other things to do) so your focus should be mostly on Google anyway and then you can come back and worry about the rest.
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    Oct 10, 2007 12:31 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
    Re: Search Engine Optimization
    Check out the web site as noted. Then, if you live/work in a major city review the SEO Companies available.

    More importantly, make sure that you maintain a solid working relationship between your web designer and the SEO Company because maximizing SEO means that you probably will have to make changes in the web site.

    Last, but not least, the algorithms change all the time so SEO is not a single task, It is ongoing. That will impact your budget and the time you have to spend monitoring and supervising these activities if you do not do them yourself.
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    Oct 10, 2007 12:56 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
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    I've used http://www.bluewhalews.com for my lead generation company freepoolquotes.com. When I check my traffic stats you can clearly see the rise in organic traffic. Highly recommend them, affordable if you are a small to mid size business.
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    Oct 10, 2007 7:39 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
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    SEO is definitely an ongoing process. The small change you make today will not show up in the search engines for days to weeks. It's also heavily based on your target market, so before you start looking for an SEO company, you should be very aware of your target audience such as "photographers searching for a photography portfolio website". At that point an SEO can optimize the website to target that audience. Using a keyword such as "portfolio" is too broad and returns results such as "stock portfolios".
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      Oct 11, 2007 3:27 PM (in response to emmagination)
      Re: Search Engine Optimization
      There are ways to get a website or blog ranked almost within minutes.

      It takes a little work to get to that point but I have done this with much success on many an occasion ESPECIALLY if the client is proactive

      I'm a great believer in LSI and Website Structure - when that is all correct the search engines will rank any business much faster.

      I do SEO (and related) for living and everyday something changes - the breadcrumbs count ;)

      Cheers

      David
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    Oct 11, 2007 5:02 PM
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    I'm sorry dare but none of these programs actually work.

    I don't want to get into any lengthy online chat here - just know these progs are a waste of time.

    Good search starts from the ground up

    Whoever said seomoz.com is cool Rand Fishkin is a great SEO and a nice guy (it all helps)

    One could always think of Aaron Wall of seobook.com

    None of these great pople would recommend your recommendations - go ask them at their blogs.

    Once again it all starts at the "architecture" stage nothing good is free.

    My professional opinion and I'm sticking to it.

    Any doubters??? Go to webmasterworld.com and you will be told in no uncertain termes what the truth is.

    David
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      Oct 11, 2007 5:12 PM (in response to david28078)
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      I wholeheartedly agree. Anything thing worth doing, is worth reading up on. I would even go so far as to post the question for you in the knowledge base at SEOMoz. Never use these things. They link to what Google is increasingly calling "bad neighborhoods" They can easily hurt you in the long run.

      Log in, ask any of the the Members of SEOMoz, and they will tell you the exact same thing. The only thing these programs are good at, is taking away money from a tight advertising budget. Remember, it is not the number of links that count, it is the quality of those links.
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        Oct 11, 2007 5:23 PM (in response to buybigtires)
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        Thank you bigtires I thought I was sticking my neck out there.

        Please know I do "SEO" for a living and know what works and doesn't - it's all a big jigsaw - start with one piece correctly and you'll be good at it :)

        David
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        Oct 11, 2007 10:05 PM (in response to buybigtires)
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        Buybigtires is right stay away from all SEO softwares, links software checking, and backlinks software, most of the time all of these will harm the search engines. I have a bad experience with them the first year I started my business online. Nothing is more valuable to do it manually.

        Some people created softwares to submit to the directories, when you know the data fields are different on each submission form directories, your site will be rejected often for missing information or else.

        This is time consuming, but once you see the results of your work, you will be happy.

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      Dec 27, 2007 9:18 PM (in response to david28078)
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      Hi David,
      Yep the bedrock of search engine integration is a consistent and sturdy website.
      Cynthia
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    Oct 11, 2007 10:27 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
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    http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools is a free tool from Google. http://www.websitegrader.com/ is a great free tool. It lets you see how you compare to other competing websites.

    This is a free book on SEO. It is great and does work. http://www.seoelite.com/index1.htm

    These all work well and are freebies. I used them and they brought out ranking up. There is no quick way to increase your ranking.

    James J Moore
    http://www.cutcompcosts.com

     


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    Oct 11, 2007 10:32 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
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    Search Engine Optimization is great, but this is only the beginning of the game.

    What is the marketing strategies you've got?

    Why people will buy from you once they are on your site?

    What your competitors are doing?

    Yes, there is more things, after the SEO to do.
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    Oct 13, 2007 2:11 PM
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    Can't beat a free plug ;) Please don't keep posting the same thing everywhere - go to the alt boards
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    Oct 14, 2007 2:06 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
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    What you should read before hiring a SEO company:

    http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35291
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    Oct 14, 2007 2:25 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
    Re: Search Engine Optimization
    Go to:

    http://www.vivisimo.com, This is a cpmany that provides 'velocity enterprise search'.
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    Nov 7, 2007 1:35 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
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    Finding the right SEO involves research. The best place to start is http://www.searchengineland.com/ . Look around and see who's doing what. If you can, attend a conference on Search Engine Marketing. Go to classes, meet people, etc. Depending on the industry, this could be the most important part of your marketing.

    And I agree that you should avoid the SEO software that's out there. Much of it will actually hurt you because the search engines will think that you're trying to spam or cheat them. Good luck!
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    Nov 7, 2007 2:39 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
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    With all the great answers that this question has received, have you tried
    googling "Search Engine Optimization"
    LUCKIEST
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    Nov 7, 2007 8:32 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
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    Hi! I agree. SEO takes planning and much more. We do this for our clients. First you need to sit with the company or person you choose and explain your market segmentation to them. The more information they collect from you, you would have better results. Also monitor the changes everyday and make changes accordingly. Look out for your competition and what they do. Don't copy but change yours; uniquely to attract your client base. Good Luck. If you need more information contact me. I wouldn't worry too much of technical aspect but which search engines would bring more traffic to your business. A good SEO company knows the truth. Also you need to let them do a trial run to prove this to you. Keep in mind. This is not a technical thing. It's plain marketing done differently using technology.
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    Nov 27, 2007 8:01 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
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    Can anyone recommend an ethical, effective SEO company?

    Well, since nobody else did I will. I used a company called webwisemedia.com out of Los Angeles.

    They dove in and achieved the results I wanted for half the price of "Name Brand Companies" that charge thousands more.

    I got 25 keywords for about 4k for the year and they guaranteed first page placement for 12 months and had everything in writing. I submitted my info, they researched everything, applied the code, have supplied and placed hundreds of links per month rather than the 7 links most companies offer, offered suggestions and made the changes to my web pages all for free. In all, about 60-70 days later I had first page placement in the natural results on yahoo, and google picked it up after 3 months. ROI, 3 months plus im out of the red.

    Great company, small but great. They proved to me that they could rank up with the big boys for half the cost.
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      Nov 28, 2007 9:53 AM (in response to scsurfguy)
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      Nice plug ;)
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        Nov 28, 2007 9:59 AM (in response to david28078)
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        Web Position - very subjective....

        I ask you this "How would you like a computer generated program querying your servers?"

        It's like legal burglary in my mind

        I know of so called SEO companies using differing programs to see what position they are on Google by querying Google's servers - do you guys who use/do not use these programs think that taking up Google et als bandwidth and constantly using precious server space are not annoying the server owners????

        I own several of these programs but stopped using them about four years ago when I though this would be an issue with Google et al

        These programs produce a fancy report - that's it.....
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    Nov 28, 2007 2:59 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
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    Lot of have been discussed here on the post. I agree with most of the stuff emagination and David have posted. SEO is an on going process and organic search results needs time, sometimes not just weeks, but months. It all depends what keywords one is promoting for and many other factors. SEO software's are most of the time are a piece of crap and should be avoided. No one can give you 100% guarantee on SEO results, if someone does it is just a trick that can work either way.
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    Nov 28, 2007 4:19 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
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    SEO is constantly changing. Which is when I was doing my research, instead of typing in search engine optimization, I typed in affordable search engine optimization. It was a little work, but I found a company (webwisemedia) and I put my faith in them. They did have guarantee's. Not for all of my keywords, but first page placement for my choice keywords is what they provided and thats what mattered. they promised a minimum of 25 first page placements and if they did not, they would refund my money. plain and simple. nobody can guarantee your keywords first page but, its a start to achieve first page placement for my general keywords which might take a year or two. and it was cheap, especially when i made all my money back in about 2 months.
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    Dec 29, 2007 9:21 AM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
    Re: Search Engine Optimization

    Following is a link to ‘*Web Marketing for Dummies*' - before you sign up with any SEO vendor - you should read this book fromm cover to cover. Published this year - it has very current information. My company, DalmoWorks.com is given credit for our search engine expertise and research which was used for Chapter 10 - "Mastering the Secrets of Search Engines") - it's an excellent resource for web marketing ideas as well.

    Following is a link to Amazon.com where you can purchase the book online and have it sent to your home in a day or two...

     

    http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/0470049820/ref=s9_asin_title_1/102-9049836-4608104?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=048SVN3KXPMYNPX0AE1K&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=279667201&pf_rd_i=507846

    It's a $25 book that Amazon sells for $17. Well worth it.

    Warm Regards,

    J
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      Dec 29, 2007 9:35 AM (in response to webguy)
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      Just love those drive by posts/ads....

      I would advise staying away from "Dummies" books and read a few up to the minute blogs instead.

      I was quoted on Search Engine Watch last week with that same advice.

      The Dummies books are old news - unless you are a carpenter or something......
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        Dec 29, 2007 9:46 AM (in response to david28078)
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        David ,

        I agree with you wholeheartedly (not about the 'ad' part as I get no royalties from the book). But with all due respect to your knowledge and expertise, for someone just starting out - the 'up to date' blogs are too 'fragmented' in their topics and can be confusing and contradictory.

        A 'Dummies' book is a quick read - covers a lot of territory and helps a person just starting out on the subject to get a basic foundation of knowlege that will enable them to more quickly and efficiently research 'current' information on blogs that are relevent to their needs.

        Just one persons opinion....

        Warm Regards,

        J.
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    Jan 2, 2008 12:44 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
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    Yes, and they just went live with their site after months of preparation. It is http://www.bestpageranking.com . Good price and great service. I am one of the testimonials. They also have an affiliate program.
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    Jan 2, 2008 3:08 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
    Re: Search Engine Optimization
    www.accupros.com They are affordable, knowledgeable, and effective.
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    Jan 7, 2008 11:02 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
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    Hey,

    If you're looking for ethical and efficient SEO companies then look for threads like this one and you will see tons of companies out there
    http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?threadid=8200


    Your next step is how do you determine who is good and who fits your bill? So I would suggest you identify who you are? Whether Small/Medium/Enterprise business? What kind of budget you have? What kind of Products/Services you want to deliver? and this would nail down to few and then continue your search of identfying the real candidate who can do the job by checking their customer references and the sites they dealt with ...

    It's very ciritcal you do your job right of finding the right company, coz that make a difference on the web. We deal with ERP softwares for small and medium bsuiness and optimize e-commerce websites (product based) and optimize the entire catalog and not just few keywords ...

    I hope this answers your question.

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    Jan 15, 2008 3:48 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
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    My company utilizes simple Search Engine techniques that have placed me in the top 10 on page one with giants like Microsoft.

    Completely Google "legal".

    http://www.intechspecial.com
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    Jan 15, 2008 5:55 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
    Re: Search Engine Optimization
    Kelly,

    I can help you with your SEO campaigns. I work with several different vendors that I suggest based on your needs. Feel free to email me at heller21@hotmail.com so we can talk further about what you are looking for.

    Mark
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    Jan 17, 2008 5:51 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
    Re: Search Engine Optimization
    That will really depend on what you want to do. If you have you expectations in line with reality you can clean house with some basic DIY stuff.

    But if you're trying to rank under a keyword like "the", you're going to be in a world of hurt.

    Rule of thumb here is to stick to companies who will talk to you about all that.

    Social Media is huge. Never forget that.

    In fact, I just FTPed a page yesterday, did my SEO/SMO thing and I'm already #14 in Google.

    Now, that's not the 1st page mind you, but when you do it the old school way you're locked in for months and months and months of waiting. I like faster results.

    In another week I'll be in the top 5.

    Here's what you need to know to ask intelligent questions:

    #1: What have YOU (the SEO person) to prove you're the stuff?

    #2: Can you explain to me in language I understand what all this stuff is about?

    #3: Can you give me advice on what we should to kick start the party?

    Here's what I mean by #3: if you have not run an adwords campaign yet you do not know what words are going to turn into $$$.

    If you pick the wrong person/company they'll have you up in lights for your company name, which is exactly the thing you don't want. BUT it'll look cool.

    Here, this is a video I put up the other day that'll help.

    Would love to chat with you:
    http://www.theguruassassin.com/small_business_web_site_design.htm
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    Nov 4, 2011 4:52 AM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
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    S im recommending you GDi Techno Solutions providing ethical, effective SEO service.

     

     

    Regards

    Sumesh vs

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    Nov 6, 2011 7:09 PM (in response to Kelleysstyle)
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    In addition to the seo companies suggested here, I will add the following points.

     

    - Make sure the seo company can give you the names of companies they have

      done seo work for, and possibly allow you to even call them.    If they cannot

      do that, or are unwilling to do that, yet are willing to ask your for significant money

      in a business model where results will not show for months after you have been

      paying  them money, that would be a big red flag.    

     

    - Try your best to avoid trying to rank for very competitive keywords

        Example:  if you can rank for "car repair atlanta" and find that you are getting significant

        business, that is better than> if "car repair" is much harder to rank for and you try

       to rank for that, don't get ranked for that, spend a lot of money on the way to trying

       to do so, and don't even need that many customers.

     

    -  Make absolutely sure if you sign a contract that they will not own your site at

       that point.

     

    -   Try REAL hard to make sure there is no seriously bad info on them, like on

         rip-off report or scam, etc.    Of course dont' judge a company for a couple

        of bad customer mishaps, look for a serious pattern.

     

    -  Some companies have been know to take technical ownership of your site by doing the seo,

        not tellling you this is in the fine print.

     

    -  There have been cases where some companies perform excellent for a good rate for the first

       year, but then in the 2nd year, demand 3 times the 1st year rate.   In some cases, they

        will even tell you they will call your competitors, pull the plug on you and tell your

       competitor they will get your high position.  

     

       You may even try thinking of an unrelated industry and a keyword that is about as

        competitive as the ones you would do.    Do a search with that keyword.   Call

       up the top 3 sites that come up and ask to speak to the person / owner who does

       marketing.    Tell them who you are, your website and who does their seo.    This

       is fairly unorthodox, you may get pushback, but you may be surprised what

       people are willing to tell you, as you are sincere and honest and people will pick 

       up on that. 

     

       Good luck

       smallbusinessloansdepot

       www.smallbusinessloansdepot.com

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